[taking the seat across from her, he inclines his head.]
As would I. Though I can understand how it functions well enough, I do not have faith in it being a secure form of communication. Messages can be intercepted, and with such a topic at hand as trust in those who oversee this city, it only felt prudent. After all, I cannot abuse my status as a new arrival to immediately begin proclaiming to all how ill these circumstances sit with me.
I... had not considered that when I brought my question to the mirrorbound masses.
[ Was she hostile? Was she instigating? The concern hits her where she is weakest: being questioned for her intention when she knows it is to be good. Many viewed her as getting ahead of herself and it knots her stomach in anger. The display she had on the network: breathing fire like the dragons she raised from three stone eggs. It was not something she would normally allow to rip through her, but it was unfitting.
Now, she sits calmly and directs her gaze respectfully to him — like the Queen she knows she was. ]
No, but others who have been unsatisfied with Aefenglom's overarching passiveness are able to be critical. If their rule is not of a tyrant, they would promote free speech. For us to voice concerns. We simply want that same transparency.
[ Softer: ]
I am no fool and I do not find comfort in knowing many parts of this world are ideal. The plague outside the walls, the need of magic to funnel appropriately — the transformation from man to creature some of us are experiencing. My doubts fell after seeing how this city reacted to the very real — and proven — threat of monster enslavement.
[he nods when she mentions voicing concerns, transparency, and his gaze is fixed and attentive, waiting until she finishes before he speaks equally soft and measured.]
I far from think you a fool, my lady. From all that I heard of the happenings in the other city, the state of things disgusts me to my core. The passivity from this city, the danger posed to our own...and the condition of the others.
[his hands, folded on his lap, squeeze a little tighter together. the anger at his core was still tightly wound together, but it wanted so badly to flare up.]
Your status as one more experienced in this world, more knowledgeable - your concerns are well founded. I did not mean to imply otherwise, and I rather respect your motion to discuss them. If we have been brought here to help this world, we should know the world we are aiding, good and bad alike.
My bias I shall freely admit. In my past, I have dealt with mages, and more often than not, I have found them to have motives beyond what they divulge, full of plans that disregard the collateral damage of their actions. This Coven I cannot prove is the same, but their silence tells more than they wish. To accept their kindness without question in this world feels like a child's naivete, not seeing who this extended hand is attached to.
[he takes a breath, exhaling slowly.]
You spoke of having us regarded as allies, and most frankly, if we are expected to fight the disease in this world, to save it, then we should be. It was not our choice to come here, yet it is our choice what we do now that we are. To take up the weight of the world is a burden one does not take lightly.
[and Servants like him, who answered a call, did so understanding the circumstances they stepped into. even those who contracted with the World knew the terms.]
[ His words calm her at the very least. A selfish, desired feeling of being believed as competent and not too ambitious for her own good. It is not the first time her choices were called to question – not even just here. Daenerys works best with advisers, with people to challenge her but there was some sense of right in her heart that she can not shake. The power Dany wields is in seeing options that no one else does.
One day, she hopes others will see hers as he is now. ]
We made a choice to go to this other city, to see firsthand of the possibility for injustice. It was swept under the rug and a civil war brewed right in front of our eyes. Forgive me for speaking critically of Aefenglom, but I – I have experience in such matters and this was as useful as ignoring the problem outright.
[ Daenerys lifts her hand, waving to a worker for a drink. Her nerves already feel fried. The young woman may be no older than 21 but the air she exudes is of experience and confidence. One that feels pained and feels it weigh her down. There were long discussions had and she understands them – listening to Dantes speak of his experience with mages especially. There's almost a sense of poetry with how he weaves his words. They make sense and for once – truly, one time this entire evening – she feels as if someone understood here.
The khaleesi does not seek like-minded individuals to agree to all of her thoughts, but she feels a relief to voice her concern. ]
We were not brought here to save it. This war is not our own, we are caught in their struggles. The Coven has not given us answers on why our bodies change, why we were stripped from our worlds. While it is no fault of their own, the fault of man is to resound themselves to comfort over morals.
[ Her drink is set down and she leans back in her chair a bit improperly, fingers strumming the arm of her chair. ]
Just as you have experience with mages casting illusions that hide intent, I have experienced them as well. Magic is not something I am entirely comfortable with. My bias... It does show easily, that much is clear, ser. However – [ It's politics!!! Daenerys feels the topic difficult to bring up. Her words grow tense: ] what I have learned from my advisers is that while plans and hopes are often good, knowing the possibility of the worst is just as important.
[ And almost childishly: ]
I do not suggest we uproot and leave out into the plagued woods. For clarification.
[the chuckle that comes from his lips is dry, and is the first sound he's made since she began to spoke. he has been listening carefully, weighing her words. not everything she says is something he agrees with, but it is enough that she speaks of advisers, that there is the stance that knowing the worst is crucial.]
No, who would want to be there? A plague cannot be met in Parliament to set bounds for living.
[his guard isn't any less high, but he leans a little more forward in his chair, setting his folded hands on the table.]
If I may speak frankly, all of what you have said convinces me of one solid thing. at least: the Mirrorbound need an acknowledged voice. Not the Coven hearing individual concerns, but more of a say in things that happen, a seat at the table, as it were.
You chose to go to that city - but as you said, we have no answers on our bodies changing, on being plucked from places where our tasks may be greater than our individual lives. It is not often that I must extol upon a duty to one's neighbor - indeed, I am often of the thought that society is indebted to me, and not vice versa, which leads to a rather neutral status from myself. But in these most peculiar circumstances, even I must bend and state that it is a necessity to take them under consideration for what would be the most effective vessel for a positive change.
[ Repeating his words carefully, it sounds... difficult to her. Her world insists on Kings and Queens, Lords and Ladies – jointly it has been odd to consider that there will be a time for them to all come together, not just one ruler born between them. Deep down, she does feel insult that all of her hard work as Queen was nothing here... but she was no tyrant. People would follow her word when the time came, if it got them closer to return home. For now, she speaks only when needing to. To help plant seeds.
Dantes words were something presented to her in a neat bow, she nods. ]
If we are involved in choices and bring our concerns – perhaps it will make this easier to live through. My world only allowed councils for Kings and Queens – this would be something based more on the community, yes? We are not ravished with poverty or cruelty, but we are in the dark to answers pertaining to us. We rely on Aefenglom to deliver the truth, but... hm.
[ Dany looks around for a moment – where the citizens mix and mingle. Enjoy the days and seem to not have a care in the world here despite the very real threats. ]
It is as you say: we need a positive change. Something that does not allow us to be leeches upon their resources or at their mercy for information. Have you grown knowledgeable in Cwyld?
Not yet, but I am scouring the city to gain what information I may in general. It would be a simple matter to pick a specialty and go into it.
[and to bother his Witch into looking into it when writer's block filled his head.]
I would not think of this as a replacement for a royal council, but an addition. Where I came from, the King still ruled, and still had his own grouping of advisers, but the Chambers had their own say in matters as well. And he listened, to know the sentiments of his people.
[he's vastly oversimplifying it, he knows, but he can't dump a history of the Revolution on her at this point in time. she's proud, definitely noble, and he wishes that this remain favorable for now. especially if they're stepping into the battleground that is politics.]
If they are giving us the truth, then they should have nothing to fear from us requesting a more intimate look at the proceedings and opening up the idea of civil discussion. We'd simply get the same information they'd give us in a different way. And it would allow us to negotiate the debt we owe them from their hospitality. Whether they see it the same way, however...that remains to be seen.
[ She nods. The Cwyld is something that still keeps anyone in this world hidden behind their walls. They've made defensive advancements to treat the threat – but not proactive. No assault directly to end the scourge of the lands.
Dany fears unless they provide that, they may be of no use to this world. ]
Mmm. I see. Was this Chamber a representative directly to the people? [ It was a difficult to try to envision anything but a monarchy, but this world seems to be thriving in their own way. There were so many things to consider that it was difficult not to be swept up into it. ] That is my view as well. With the topics given to us with adjusting to their world, it would still be viewed dubiously in my eyes to throw us bones instead of a full meal. Any debts we have accrued fills me with a fear – it leaves us blindly open for them to collect. With blood or otherwise.
[ It is almost always with blood. ]
Say we plant ourselves in their civil discussions – we put ourselves as true allies. [ However, Dany lowers her gaze a bit. ] Their matters become our own if they so call upon us. Will we have grounds to deny something that does not sit well with us, I wonder?
As much as any ally of the city may speak against an ill turn. Their matters are our own, but our matters become theirs in turn.
[he pauses for a moment.]
Our debts would be a matter to address sooner rather than later - if we were the ones to bring it up, it leaves them less room to blindside us with whatever cost they want to extract. And if they try to deny it, say it comes from good will alone - then they should be able to swear to that effect, and be held to it.
Agreed. Many of us wish to return home but not all. However, all of us did not make a choice to come to this world. Regardless of how others may view it, I do believe a debt is exchanged. Transparency is crucial and through my time here, I'm discovering little by little a poor leadership. If they will not help us find a way home, perhaps we should turn our attention somewhere that could.
[ She is stern in that, almost immovable. ]
I wish to not start war or shed blood, I wish for allies moving forward, not wardens.
Good. There has been some push back to the idea that we should all be allies in this view. [ Is she bitter? Absolutely. The girl was dealt a harsh reality check when people did not follow her like they would the revered Mother of Dragons in Essos. ] I believe we must start now, with or without everyone's approval. As much as I crucially would like to gather us all at one, someone needs to ask questions – begin the discussions of where we stand and how to prepare for any... complications.
[ Messy, messy affairs they are. ]
Asking questions will not silence the voices of those defiant to this, but inform them that our way is the right way.
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As would I. Though I can understand how it functions well enough, I do not have faith in it being a secure form of communication. Messages can be intercepted, and with such a topic at hand as trust in those who oversee this city, it only felt prudent. After all, I cannot abuse my status as a new arrival to immediately begin proclaiming to all how ill these circumstances sit with me.
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[ Was she hostile? Was she instigating? The concern hits her where she is weakest: being questioned for her intention when she knows it is to be good. Many viewed her as getting ahead of herself and it knots her stomach in anger. The display she had on the network: breathing fire like the dragons she raised from three stone eggs. It was not something she would normally allow to rip through her, but it was unfitting.
Now, she sits calmly and directs her gaze respectfully to him — like the Queen she knows she was. ]
No, but others who have been unsatisfied with Aefenglom's overarching passiveness are able to be critical. If their rule is not of a tyrant, they would promote free speech. For us to voice concerns. We simply want that same transparency.
[ Softer: ]
I am no fool and I do not find comfort in knowing many parts of this world are ideal. The plague outside the walls, the need of magic to funnel appropriately — the transformation from man to creature some of us are experiencing. My doubts fell after seeing how this city reacted to the very real — and proven — threat of monster enslavement.
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I far from think you a fool, my lady. From all that I heard of the happenings in the other city, the state of things disgusts me to my core. The passivity from this city, the danger posed to our own...and the condition of the others.
[his hands, folded on his lap, squeeze a little tighter together. the anger at his core was still tightly wound together, but it wanted so badly to flare up.]
Your status as one more experienced in this world, more knowledgeable - your concerns are well founded. I did not mean to imply otherwise, and I rather respect your motion to discuss them. If we have been brought here to help this world, we should know the world we are aiding, good and bad alike.
My bias I shall freely admit. In my past, I have dealt with mages, and more often than not, I have found them to have motives beyond what they divulge, full of plans that disregard the collateral damage of their actions. This Coven I cannot prove is the same, but their silence tells more than they wish. To accept their kindness without question in this world feels like a child's naivete, not seeing who this extended hand is attached to.
[he takes a breath, exhaling slowly.]
You spoke of having us regarded as allies, and most frankly, if we are expected to fight the disease in this world, to save it, then we should be. It was not our choice to come here, yet it is our choice what we do now that we are. To take up the weight of the world is a burden one does not take lightly.
[and Servants like him, who answered a call, did so understanding the circumstances they stepped into. even those who contracted with the World knew the terms.]
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One day, she hopes others will see hers as he is now. ]
We made a choice to go to this other city, to see firsthand of the possibility for injustice. It was swept under the rug and a civil war brewed right in front of our eyes. Forgive me for speaking critically of Aefenglom, but I – I have experience in such matters and this was as useful as ignoring the problem outright.
[ Daenerys lifts her hand, waving to a worker for a drink. Her nerves already feel fried. The young woman may be no older than 21 but the air she exudes is of experience and confidence. One that feels pained and feels it weigh her down. There were long discussions had and she understands them – listening to Dantes speak of his experience with mages especially. There's almost a sense of poetry with how he weaves his words. They make sense and for once – truly, one time this entire evening – she feels as if someone understood here.
The khaleesi does not seek like-minded individuals to agree to all of her thoughts, but she feels a relief to voice her concern. ]
We were not brought here to save it. This war is not our own, we are caught in their struggles. The Coven has not given us answers on why our bodies change, why we were stripped from our worlds. While it is no fault of their own, the fault of man is to resound themselves to comfort over morals.
[ Her drink is set down and she leans back in her chair a bit improperly, fingers strumming the arm of her chair. ]
Just as you have experience with mages casting illusions that hide intent, I have experienced them as well. Magic is not something I am entirely comfortable with. My bias... It does show easily, that much is clear, ser. However – [ It's politics!!! Daenerys feels the topic difficult to bring up. Her words grow tense: ] what I have learned from my advisers is that while plans and hopes are often good, knowing the possibility of the worst is just as important.
[ And almost childishly: ]
I do not suggest we uproot and leave out into the plagued woods. For clarification.
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No, who would want to be there? A plague cannot be met in Parliament to set bounds for living.
[his guard isn't any less high, but he leans a little more forward in his chair, setting his folded hands on the table.]
If I may speak frankly, all of what you have said convinces me of one solid thing. at least: the Mirrorbound need an acknowledged voice. Not the Coven hearing individual concerns, but more of a say in things that happen, a seat at the table, as it were.
You chose to go to that city - but as you said, we have no answers on our bodies changing, on being plucked from places where our tasks may be greater than our individual lives. It is not often that I must extol upon a duty to one's neighbor - indeed, I am often of the thought that society is indebted to me, and not vice versa, which leads to a rather neutral status from myself. But in these most peculiar circumstances, even I must bend and state that it is a necessity to take them under consideration for what would be the most effective vessel for a positive change.
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[ Repeating his words carefully, it sounds... difficult to her. Her world insists on Kings and Queens, Lords and Ladies – jointly it has been odd to consider that there will be a time for them to all come together, not just one ruler born between them. Deep down, she does feel insult that all of her hard work as Queen was nothing here... but she was no tyrant. People would follow her word when the time came, if it got them closer to return home. For now, she speaks only when needing to. To help plant seeds.
Dantes words were something presented to her in a neat bow, she nods. ]
If we are involved in choices and bring our concerns – perhaps it will make this easier to live through. My world only allowed councils for Kings and Queens – this would be something based more on the community, yes? We are not ravished with poverty or cruelty, but we are in the dark to answers pertaining to us. We rely on Aefenglom to deliver the truth, but... hm.
[ Dany looks around for a moment – where the citizens mix and mingle. Enjoy the days and seem to not have a care in the world here despite the very real threats. ]
It is as you say: we need a positive change. Something that does not allow us to be leeches upon their resources or at their mercy for information. Have you grown knowledgeable in Cwyld?
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[and to bother his Witch into looking into it when writer's block filled his head.]
I would not think of this as a replacement for a royal council, but an addition. Where I came from, the King still ruled, and still had his own grouping of advisers, but the Chambers had their own say in matters as well. And he listened, to know the sentiments of his people.
[he's vastly oversimplifying it, he knows, but he can't dump a history of the Revolution on her at this point in time. she's proud, definitely noble, and he wishes that this remain favorable for now. especially if they're stepping into the battleground that is politics.]
If they are giving us the truth, then they should have nothing to fear from us requesting a more intimate look at the proceedings and opening up the idea of civil discussion. We'd simply get the same information they'd give us in a different way. And it would allow us to negotiate the debt we owe them from their hospitality. Whether they see it the same way, however...that remains to be seen.
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Dany fears unless they provide that, they may be of no use to this world. ]
Mmm. I see. Was this Chamber a representative directly to the people? [ It was a difficult to try to envision anything but a monarchy, but this world seems to be thriving in their own way. There were so many things to consider that it was difficult not to be swept up into it. ] That is my view as well. With the topics given to us with adjusting to their world, it would still be viewed dubiously in my eyes to throw us bones instead of a full meal. Any debts we have accrued fills me with a fear – it leaves us blindly open for them to collect. With blood or otherwise.
[ It is almost always with blood. ]
Say we plant ourselves in their civil discussions – we put ourselves as true allies. [ However, Dany lowers her gaze a bit. ] Their matters become our own if they so call upon us. Will we have grounds to deny something that does not sit well with us, I wonder?
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[he pauses for a moment.]
Our debts would be a matter to address sooner rather than later - if we were the ones to bring it up, it leaves them less room to blindside us with whatever cost they want to extract. And if they try to deny it, say it comes from good will alone - then they should be able to swear to that effect, and be held to it.
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[ She is stern in that, almost immovable. ]
I wish to not start war or shed blood, I wish for allies moving forward, not wardens.
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[he closes his eyes briefly, and then refixes them on hers with a light in them.]
Such tasks cannot be completed alone. You might consider me among your allies on this side of things.
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[ Messy, messy affairs they are. ]
Asking questions will not silence the voices of those defiant to this, but inform them that our way is the right way.